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Chinese in India feel marginalised, migrate

WILLIAM Yeh’s family has lived in India for generations. Still, the 33-year-old restaurant manager, a member of a small ethnic Chinese community in Kolkata, says he does not feel Indian.

“My parents were born in India, so was I. Yet I often feel like a second-class citizen,” Yeh told Reuters.” I speak Bengali and have worked with Indians but some people still make me feel like a foreigner,” he said. “The police asked extra questions when I applied for a passport. One reason was because I am Chinese.”

This rankles for somebody who belongs to a community that has been part of Calcutta’s history for more than 200 years. The first Chinese settler arrived in the city in 1780 during British colonial rule and started a sugar mill.

Disillusioned about being marginalised from mainstream Indian society, Yeh plans to move to the West just like hundreds of other Chinese who have left Calcutta and migrated to countries such as Canada, Austria and Sweden. As a result of the exodus over the past 12 years, the number of ethnic Chinese in Calcutta has plunged to about 4,500 people from more than 19,000 in 1990.

“When we go to villages, people stare. In cities, some make fun of us because we are different,” said Paul Chung, a former assistant school principal.

Calcutta is home to more than 90 percent of India’s dwindling Chinese community, which made a name for itself at the start of the 19th century as carpenters on ships at the city port.

Today, while some Chinese run restaurants and tanneries in the city of some 15 million people, others are carpenters or run shoe shops, laundries and beauty clinics. Most of them live in Tangra, Calcutta’s run down Chinatown, where restaurants with names written in Chinese characters sit cheek-by-jowl with old tanneries.

The tanneries, which once released untreated effluents into open drains flowing past the eateries, have been closed since the Supreme Court asked them earlier this year to move to a new industrial area with proper treatment plants.

“Though Tangra is still quite dirty. It was far worse 25 years ago when the tanneries were functioning. It really used to stink and one had to be very brave to eat there,” said Calcutta businessman Ravi Kumar.

The first Chinese settler, Yong Atchew, arrived some about 220 years ago and started a Chinese settlement in Calcutta when he brought more than 100 labourers from China to work at his mill. Many early settlers were also men who had jumped ship.

After 1949, Mao Zedong’s communist revolution in China sent a wave of Chinese emigres fleeing communism into Calcutta. Things became difficult for the Chinese when India and China fought a brief border war in 1962, leading to anti-Chinese sentiment in India.

Hundreds of people were sent to detention camps in Rajasthan. Monica Liu, now a partner in a successful chain of Chinese restaurants, was 12 years old when she was sent to a camp. “Along with my family, I was sent to a camp in Rajasthan, a hot desert state. I kept asking why? We weren’t criminals.”

“Later, I realised we were sent away because we were Chinese,” Liu, 52, said as customers poured into her smart restaurant. “Even when we were allowed out for a picnic, police followed us. Though things are better now, the suspicion is still there.”

Chung, also president of the Indian-Chinese Association, says the Chinese must take some blame for their relative isolation.

“They tell me they are harassed, but when I ask them to file a complaint in writing, they don’t want to.” Deputy Commissioner of Calcutta Police Sivaji Ghosh said he had not received any complaint of harassment of ethnic Chinese people but did not rule it out at the lower level.

Reuters

Comments

  1. leon says:

    well said by ycl1688 , think we should forget and forgive all the bitter past. recently i read a news stating that india and china are not just becoming partners but strategy partner. Which is a very good news for us.

    indo-chini bhai bhai .. lol

  2. Ron says:

    YC firstly let me say that you would have been safer in a camp in Rajasthan than in Chairman Mao’s China. After Mao finished with the Indian’s, he went on to kill 70 million of his fellow Chinese in the next twenty years. He also killed all the sparrows in China (because they ate grain) and denied medical treatment for cancer to Chou-En-Lai the architect of the Indo-Chinese war in 1962. It was Chou-En-Lai whom Nehru had introduced to the world at the Bandung conference and it was Chou-En-Lai who stabbed the Indians in the back. I think the very fact that you expect a Chinese consulate to intercede on behalf of the Hakka Chinese with the Indian government shows your loyalties. I think it is better to leave a country you hate so much. You can become a refugee in China if that is what appeals to you.

  3. Ron says:

    Tsai
    I did not really understand your posting. The only part I understood was about the infrastructure for Hakka integration into mainstream society not being available.

    I wonder if such an infrastructure is available anywhere in the world. China Town’s as a phenomenon came up for some reason. Having lived in Canada and USA, I can vouch for the fact that mainland emigrees don’t really relish the prospect of integration and the older they are, the more difficult the task becomes. You will find that a lot of mainland Chinese people in North America will not even bother to learn English if its not required for vocational purposes.

    So I think the burden of integration falls more on the migrants. Nowdays, knowing English and local history has become necessary for the citizenship exams in Western English speaking countries.
    I think as a migrant community who came into somebody else’s land to avail opportunities, our forefathers had a fairly easy entry and refuge. Let us not be ungrateful. Indians did not invite our forefathers. Our forefathers came to live here by their own choice. I for one don’t think it was a mistake. If somebody feels otherwise, what is there to keep them here?

  4. Ron says:

    Leon
    China will never acknowledge India as a friend or a partner. It see’s India as a competitor. China wants to be the dominant power in Asia and does not want any rivals.

  5. Ron says:

    YC LI

    How would you like to be a Tibetan in China?

  6. Dan says:

    ron,

    Earlier, you asked Kumar that you did not know who is mainstream Indian ? However, in that entry posted, you’ve unknowingly identified & stated a couple of mainstreams & minorities – scheduled castes, tribes etc…… not knowing which is which. In another entry, most of those you mentioned with Mongoloid features should belong to Indian minorities group.

    Firstly, without knowing who is “mainstream” as a base, it was unkind of you to direct “hate messages” to dwarf your own little Indian Chinese Hakka community (consisting only a few thousand Indians) – that “fits into” a minority in mother India like Anglo-Indians and people from the North East States, but not yet been acknowledged so.

    In the Indian Constitution, in which it enshrines the rights and duties of all its citizens, everyone is equal in the eyes of law. Further, as India is such a large and complex democratic establishment, i.e. a country dominated with castes system etc. there are provisions in the Constitution that protect the weaker sections of the coummunites like lower castes, scheduled castes, tribes, OBC, Anglo-Indians and so forth. Other than these fellow Indians formed in this group, the other majorities are “mainstream”.

    Regretably, I do not think that Indian Chinese (mostly Indian citizens), a small community of minority is ever mentioned in the Constitution. You should do some research into this, if you are interested in Indian politics and be a emerging leader of this group.

    The provisions on protection of minorities, scheduled castes, tribes, lower-castes, OBC’s etc….include & not limited to special quotas, priviledges & preferences on education and other social activities & development.

    In order to hear the minority groups’ voices, the State Authorities provide MLA (Members of Legislative Assembly) seats for them as a a link between the States and the community represented so that their grievances and pleas heard.

    Having said the above, it is not right for the minorities to be fully dependent on the Indian Government for uplift and support on fundings and special quotas etc… On their own, they should also take active role in their citizenship to contribute to the success of India from whatever ways they can, as all other Indian citizens.

    ron, is this what you were looking for ?

  7. ycl1688 says:

    Ron,

    One thing you get to be cleared about is we are here to discuss Indian Chinese plight in India, not about Tibetan refugee, please do not mix oranges and apples, Tibetan want independence that is a big no no, you got to understand China has five majority races mongolian, Han chinese,
    Tibetan, Muslims, manchurians. This truth cannot be denied. Just like Taiwan wants independence that is another big hurt. It is written with the US president nixon travel to China with Shanghai declaration, there is just one China as simple as that and Taiwan is part of China. There are so many violence involve with independence – assam, palestine, punjab, hawaii, just to name a few. the fact of the matter is who wants to be a refugee.
    I presume you live in US and so do I live in US we are previleged, yet so many hardship faced by those who are living in old country, my relative was born in china and have to learn a little Hindi to become Indian Citizen that took 12 years to get it on top of 55 years living in india even you get doctor license will be easier I believe. This is reality.

  8. Ron says:

    YCL 1688Firstly let me tell you very clearly that I am Indian first. I may be Indian Chinese but that is just a term. It is not my nationality and it is not my relgion and after 1962 I want to permanently delete anything to do with China from my name and my family. I was born an Indian and I will die an Indian. I used to live in USA but now live in India in Kolkata. I think it is absolutely fair that anybody wanting to become an Indian citizen should have to learn the National Language. This is common practise in most Western democracies. Tibet is a very important issue because Tibet is an example of the barbarism of Chairman Mao and the Communist Party of China. It was an independent country which was annexed by China and that became the basis of the 1962 conflict. Tibet cannot be ignored. Just to let you know that Han Chinese make up 95% of Chinese population and there are almost no minorities in China. The Muslim population has been halved !!! The massacres of Tibetans and Muslims in Tibet and Xinjiang are major human rights issues. Most minorities in China have been made to nurse an inferiority complex. I met a Mongol colleague and she was very reluctant telling me that she was Mongol, she kept emphasizing that her husband was Han Chinese…….as if that gave her some legitamcy in being a Chinese national.

    — comment edited due to personal attack–

  9. Ron says:

    Dan
    Unfortunately the Hakka Chinese population is so small that it will not be able to elect even a Municipal Councillor. I donot wish to be the leader of this group. Whoever chooses to be the leader should start a signature campaign and take the demands to the Chief Minister and the Minister for Minority Affairs. That is the democratic process. I am sure if we do this, there will be no pogrom against us and we will not be persecuted like the monks in Tibet.

  10. ycl1688 says:

    wang,

    your comment on the four letters ‘c’ by those misguided souls have its origin from Burrabazar that famous cook tower church symbol has gold one made was stolen by chinese using kung fu, hence the nickname hailed to you, on a lighter note it happened one day many years ago in kolkata cheena para I was walking with a friend, the same remark was made and my friend replied ‘ Hum app ka baap ka bart… chori kiya’ (for those who may not know loosely means I stole your father (private part). that was the hilarious moment and there was a pin drop silence.

    Ron,

    Had there been a consulate at that time of 1962, those willing will be in the consulate compound and not be sent to Rajasthan and China has the right to send in transportation to transfer them back to china. Look at the fate of japanese in intern camp, the govt of US has to pay compensation after being sued.

  11. Ron says:

    YCL1688

    Please sue the Indian government and get the compensation if you were harassed in 1962. What is stopping you? File a PIL in the Indian Supreme Court. India is not Communist China where you will be put into jail for raising a human rights issue. Do you know the fate of human rights petitioners in Communist China?
    See the BBC website for more details.

  12. ycl1688 says:

    Ron,

    you are a bit out of hand in this constructive discussion, we are here to talk about the plight of Chinese in kolkata, what has to do with my english being shaky, wasting time in US and my associate with Communist,
    let me clear one thing you are not my English teacher, you are not the one to guide me where to live and i have worked with the KMT chinese paper in kolkata, be all you may be please do not launch personnel attack on others, the admin of this board should realize this discussion is not about personal hatred. No wonder earlier someone wrote a blend remark shame on you. that was justified.

    Admin,

    Please take Ron seriously he is the one to downgrade this healthy discussion board to lower level, which is not a wise thing to do.

  13. Ron says:

    YCL 1688
    I am offering constructive suggestions on how to address the issue of 1962. You seem to be turning this into an Anti-India campaign.

  14. Ron says:

    YCL 1688

    I have no intention of attacking you personally and any offense felt by you is regretted. However when you accuse my country of wrongdoing and say nasty things about it, then please be prepared for criticism.
    I do not want the Indian Chinese community to be tainted with the label of being Anti-Indian, because I am Indian and I am sure most members will agree with me that we are Indian and we should not insult our country regardless of whatever greviences we may have.

  15. ycl1688 says:

    ron,

    I have no intention to influence anti indian sentiment into this discussion, what my writings are on reality that I faced individually.
    I have seen the people in Kolkata helping my relative out of a taxi during an accident, my school mates are all indians and they respect me as a person rather than a Chinese.

    Anyways life is too short to escalate this into a heated discussion at the end only cooler heads prevail.
    end of discussion for me in this board. I have voiced my opinions, whether you like it or not so be it. Good bye and good luck.

  16. Ron says:

    YCL 1688

    I am sorry that you think you have had to face injustice. I agree that injustice has to be fought. Fortunately India offers you the right to fight that injustice. It also gives you the mechanism to fight that injustice. I may be mistaken, but your postings do read (at least to me) as being Anti-Indian. Although a court may even uphold your right to criticize the Indian governments actions…….a statement against India, the nation and its people is certainly in bad taste. YCL 1688 even your dignity pales into insignificance when the dignity of the motherland(India) comes into question.
    I wish you would stop referring to yourself as Chinese and atleast call yourself Indian-Chinese out of respect to the people on this board.

  17. Tsai says:

    ron,

    I didn’t know that you are such a blocked head (sorry to call you that). Maybe, ignorance is bliss.

    What I tried to explain in my posting was that the world is round and big. Round means it goes in circles. Big means it’s virtually boundless.

    Indian citizens worldwide may behave differently, rationally or irrationally and that is ok. It never requires an Indian look, a turban or a legal passport to prove one’s Indian-ness or patriotism to mother India.

    They are numerous ways to be patriotic – some silent, unspoken and some loud and clear. Also, patriotism has no patent rights – foreign nationals with Indian hearts living abroad can be more patriotic than those Indian MP’s that sit in the Upper and Lower Houses of Parliament debating day in and day out. Ironically, it can often be more so of these people from foreign shores that love the motherland more – with their tireless efforts raising funds to building up rural India with amenities and facilities.

    FYI, I’ve lived in more places than you thought and travelled to more countries than you imagined on business or pleasure. The only place I’ve not put footprints on yet are South America and Antarticas. I have many Indian friends around the world whom I studied/worked with in the U.K,, U.S, Canada, Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, etc. (I have a Muslim friend who went out to eat pork dishes with me in London Chinatown to pass highly demanded professional exams!).

    On development of infrastructure of a community, there is no particular mould that is a good fit (perfect) found anywhere in this world. Like any society, nothing is flawless. The community needs to carve it out themselves on what they would like it to be as they are the ultimate beneficiaries, stakeholders and interested parties. Even in a democratic society like the U.S., there is never a full and complete system of justice ? You are a fool if you believe so.

    ron, why do you worry about how the old mainland emigrees do or do not in North America. A saying goes that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. So be it. Leave them alone.

    Also, immigration rules in North America have all along require English skills and American /or Canadian history simple Q&A tests for citizenships. This is not something new but given. My aunt’s mother did her tests at aged 80+ in Vancouver, an emigrant from Kolkata and passed. The exam for her was unique though. She died at aged 102.

    One should allow integration to take its own course and evolves over time. In Canada & elsewhere, there are courses and integration programs for new immigrants. These days, not all immigrants stay in their new adopted countries. Many opt to return back to their home countries for various reasons – this is not something new. Immigration is now no longer a one way journey as in tbe bygone days. Everyone has a choice and can exercise it. Also, most immigrants are not refugees these days. That is a misconception. Investment immigrants bring in tons of monies and work for their newly adopted countries. They bring in job opportunities to their adopted countries’ citizens.

    Why do you say immigrants’ landing in somebody’s land ? The U.S. & Canada are called “immigrant-countries”, i.e. citizens of which made up mainly of immigrants or former immigrants. Other than native Indians (Red Indians), eveybody else is once an immigrant.

    Lastly, our Indian Chinese forefathers are dead and gone. It is out of respect if we put any blames on them for bringing us to India. We should be thankful for who we are today.

    It is not ethical to post any hate messages for our community brothers and sisters here to ask them to leave India and get elsewhere. By International laws, the place of one’s birth is the ultimate place of one’s residence. For instance, a naturalized American born in India who committed a very severe crime, after charged, tried and found guilty can have his or her American citizenship ripped off and then deported back to India for good; whereas India has no choice but to accept that person back.

    ron, I’m not sure what’s in your mind ? Please join Indian politics immediately and then all your questions still lingering in your mind will automatically disappear. Would you ?

  18. Ron says:

    Tsai
    I have agreed with you all along. What makes you think that I am saying anything different.

    The only point that seems to be misunderstood by you is that our forefathers came to India as immigrants and refugees…and instead of having a Thanksgiving (like in US and Canada) we end up criticizing the same people who gave our forefathers a chance to live with them in their country. My point was that we should not be ungrateful.

    Other than that, I am in total agreement with you.

  19. Tsai says:

    ron,

    Aren’t we talking about freedom of speech and expression in a democratic society ? Sadly, you have tarnished India’s image by nailing its democracy shame to dead.

    Why are you trying to dictate others’ point of view that is different to what you think “must be” it and right; and disallowing others to speak up their minds on this board ? You’re a looser for your emotion, abusive and hate messages sent to this board.

    Is there anything wrong with criticising ? Isn’t this is the norm of a free world where citizens are encouraged to speak up to challenge the status quo, be it right or wrong ? Unless one is living under a strict dictatorial regime, this is barred and forbidden.

    To correct you, note that not all Chinese immigrants who came to India are refugees. My maternal grandfather came as a merchant. In those days, he lived in Park street and used to travel frequently to and from China, Hong Kong and India by ships. Lastly, to get it politically right, our Indian Chinese forefathers came to British India or Colonial India; not to the same Bharat India that you know of today.

  20. Ron says:

    Tsai
    you have just weakened your own argument free speech. Am I not allowed to voice my opinion?

    Secondly, I think your ancestors profited from this country and hence they stayed. The British India was also composed of Indian people and I don’t think the centuries old Indian ethos was absent at that time.
    I am assuming that you think it was a mistake not to leave when the British left.

    There are Hakka Chinese who have come after 1947 also and they also live in Tangra.

    Look, I am sorry you don’t like India. I am sorry about your condition. Please go on condemning this country. Keep being ungrateful. Keep biting the hand that feeds you. I have not seen a bigger set of malcontents. I hope the Indian government reconsiders the camp in Rajasthan and puts you guys there.

  21. Dan says:

    ron,

    Since you do not want to be a leader of this group (Indian Chinese) and want to distance & dis-associate yourself with Hakka Chinese population (i.e. the ‘China” link from your name and family), you should go out your own to the mainstream masses outside to rally and support you to join Indian politics. There is then no limitation on the number of electors to get you elected. In any event, you mentioned that unfortunately the Hakka Chinese population is so small that it will not be able to elect even a Municipal Councillor.

    With that done, you would not have to worry about who gets chosen as the group’s leadership or to start a signature campaign on demands that they would take to the Chief Minister and the Minister for Minority Affairs.

    Regretably, no matter what you like or dislike, for now till death – you’ll have to live all your life with the baggage of an Indian Chinese.

    To turn things around, you should consider to change the fate of your next generations. By marrying a mainstream Indian girl and to adopt her surname for your offsprings would help you to rid & unload your history burden forever.

    If you are not yet married, then good luck to you to finding that beautiful mainstream Indian girl.

  22. Ron says:

    Dan
    Firstly, your advice about finding a mainstream girl is totally unsolicited and not required. I have a beautiful Indian Hakka family and I have taught my children that we are Indian. I am sorry if I don’t feel Chinese. I also don’t feel like going and killing every Indian that I meet like some people on this board are in a mood to do. Mao said “Power flows out of the barrel of a gun”, but that was the culture our forefathers had left behind.
    “Be the change you want to see”-Gandhi. He is the father of my country and I would advise you to follow his advice. Don’t wait for my leadership, be your own leader. In the words of Buddha “be the light unto yourself”.

    Our effort was to find a solution, a solution can only come with understanding. It cannot come by nursing hatred towards Indians. Does the Dalai Lama ask the Tibetans to hate Chinese?
    Your alienation is understandable but then what is your solution?
    We cannot wage a war against the Indians? We cannot demand for a seperate homeland? If we cannot live here, then we have to go somewhere else…..that is a workable solution and the one adopted by a majority of the Hakka’s. Why live in misery? I, however am very happy to be in India and this is where I will be staying.

  23. Ron says:

    My appeal to all the Hakka brothers is that I understand your pain. You are facing a very difficult issue of identity and marginalization.
    If you don’t like the country, if you don’t like its people, if you don’t like its society, if you don’t like its culture, if you don’t like its politics, please don’t let hate build inside yourself. Look for alternatives, develop those alternatives and if that means leaving the country, then so be it. Don’t remain in misery. The Indian people are struggling themselves and they did not invite our forefathers to come to India. I am sure India will remember you and cherish the fact, that for a very short period in her very long history, you enriched her by your culture, traditions, cuisine etc.

  24. Bill says:

    Ron,
    All the anger you ooze in your postings stems from the fact that you are ashamed of your Chinese ancestry. Even Leon’s attempt to ease the tensions has been rebuffed by you. Unfortunately, the source of your shame can never be completely eliminated. Instead of wasting your energy in this impossible dream, why don’t you channel it constructively to improve the lives of those around you.
    Peace and good luck to you.

  25. Ron says:

    Bill
    If trying to stop abuse against my motherland is my crime, then I am guilty of commiting it. I don’t mind this being turned into a rant forum by aggreived individuals but when it turns in needless India and Indian bashing then unfortunately all decent people have a right to step in and stop this abuse. Indian Hakka’s have always lived peacefully and I am unwilling to give disgruntled members of this community to give it a bad name.

    I am also sorry to tell you that I do not define an individual in the narrow terms of his ethnicity. I can only humbly appeal to you also to not do the same. People are more than their ethnicities. There is a common humanity that binds the world. Please try to remember that .

  26. Bill says:

    Ron,
    As Kumar noted, you will always get the last word in. I am not arguing, nor will I engage in any arguement, with you. You are an angry individual. Leon did not in any way insult anyone, yet you rebuffed him.
    Once again, peace.

  27. Dan says:

    Ron,

    You’re from Tangra Chinatown, Kolkata & not Delhi as previously claimed.

    I’m happy that you’ve a beautiful Indian family. From what you’ve said, you’re still struggling to eradicate “Hakka Chinese” link. It is unfair for you to pass this on to your Indian children. While living in Tangra Chinatown, I’m sure that somehow & somewhere, you’ll be made to feel uncomfortable to see some “Chineseness” in your surroundings.

    Joining Indian politics is the only means or solution to rid you out of what you’re in today. However, you’ve declined to lead the Hakka Chinese community and yet not said yes to going it outside to the masses by yourself. If you start your political campaigns from the slums and bustees, you would have alot of takers to rally & canvass for your nomination to electoral candidature. You should seriously consider this.

    To shed that “Chinese Hakka” links, here’s something you can do to start from home:-
    1) Consider moving your family out from Tangra Chinatown if you find the “Chinese” environment stifling to nurture your Indian Children. In U.S, this is what many new immigrants do to integrate their families and language skills – they move out of Chinatown. Think about moving into areas where only mainstreams live so that your Indian children feel belonging.
    2) “Chinese” cultures and values should not be shared with your children. While they bring more harm than good, spoken “Hakka Chinese” should be banned at home while only rich Indian values and cultures indoctrinated. The Indian basics:-
    a) wearing the Indian traditional costumes of dhoti, pyjama, kurta, sari etc. to normalize belonging & oneness at all times, e.g. like what Rahdul Gandhi is doing;
    b) teach correct techniques of eating with hands – proper way of handling rice and food into the mouths; banned chopsticks & bowls from dining tables. This is an art and need teaching and constant practice.
    c) sit on the floor to eat food – for breakfast, lunch and dinner. A valued tradition and daily norm of Indians worldwide;
    d) eat only Indian food, chappati, roti, dal bath, curries etc. (you may not know that in Lakshmi Mittal’s private plane, only roti, curry & dal bath are served) – help your kids to forget & shun chowmein, noodles etc.;
    e) use water & hands instead of tissue paper for toiletry purposes. This is very important. It is a respected Indian tradition strictly followed by Indians worldwide. (If you’ve been to Singapore, you know what this mean; i.e. how Singapore Government respect the Indian minority to provide this arrangement in all facilities – in office & residential complexes.
    3) Take action to withdraw your Chinese name & surname by filing an affidavit with Municpal Corporation on birth & death registry. Choose Indian names and surnames. Then there won’t be chance for people to ask about your roots, rather than Indians.
    With above done, I guarantee that in no time, you’ll find a big change in you & your family. While one cannot be only “half” Indian, it really takes time to get fully assimilated. These are a few tips for you to start off if you haven’t thought of doing so.
    I’m sure your family already speak the Indian languages fluently, so no efforts needed here as given.
    Good luck to you.

  28. Ron says:

    Bill
    I shall let you have the last word. Do whatever makes you happy buddy.

    Dan

    Thanks for stooping so low. If Indians were as closeminded then nobody would be eating Chowmein in Delhi and India and my family would certainly be poorer. I am from Tangra but have been doing my business in Delhi for some years now.
    I hate to point out that even the overseas Chinese in USA and Canada eat with forks and spoons because they find it faster!

    Secondly let me add that the Chinese culture has been derived from Indian culture. Most of what we think of Chinese culture has been taken from India at the time of Bodhidharma(Damo) and also through Xuan Zhang and other travellers. In mainland China, one of their classic books is “Journey to the West” which is about the travels to India and features a Monkey King inspired by Hanuman. There is a Chinese blessing “May you die in western heaven” which means it is blessed to die in India, the land of the Buddha. Guanyin another popular godess is inspired by the Buddha of compassion.
    How do you think the Chinese wash their backside in mainland China? Do Indians eat Chicken claws or Pig’s ears or tongue?
    I could go on and on…nobody is asking you to forsake your ethnic identity. Nobody has asked you to do it in all these years. This is a democratic and multi-cultural country and not a totalitarian state like China.

    – comment edited by admin –

  29. Dan says:

    Ron,

    Why are your interpreting my good intentions in a negative way. I am trying to remove that “Chinese” baggage of yours by building the basic foundation framework of Indian traditions.

    Have I said anything vulgar or improper ? What is wrong with what I said about using water and hands for toiletry purposes. Wealthy Indians in UK, Singapore and elsewhere do, is there anything wrong ?

    Like Kumar, Bill and ycl188 said, you shall have the last word. So be it.

  30. ycl1688 says:

    Dan,

    You have said enough to that individual, hats off to you, let a sleeping
    dog sleep, take it easy and consider you have done your part in this discussion, it is up to the admin of to close this discussion and I would not have written all my thoughts on this board had I not been living in that situation in period of time. It is simply my ways of writing and I was accused of being a communist sympathizer, with shaky english, to stay away from US and anti indian, to me it is simply a man of unstable mantle condition of that individual.

    Well, all I can say is that person has a biting dog mentality. Stay from
    this discussion let him write whatever he wants and make a fool of himself.

  31. Wang says:

    yc1688

    Thanks for refreshing my old memory. As our mutual “good” friend Ron says, I have to brush that rusty chip on my shoulder to turn back the time clock.

    I now recollect the story about stealing a golden hand of tower clock of St Andrews Church (we referred it as the golden-cock clock). I was only a kid then & hardly believe the story was true. While I do not recall the origin of the four letters “c” with this clock story, I still remember that the church was located close to Lal Bazaar thanna and not far from Old Mission Church.

    In those days, the four letters “c” were commonly lashed out targeting at any & all Chinese passerby. As a child, it was really tormenting when a large group of ethnic Indians, young and old, kept yelling CCCC at you causing you to develop actual nightmares. I was always frightened to go out in the streets unless very necessary, accompanied. Also, it was frequent then that, without any notice or reasons, while walking in streets, you would encounter a barrage of stones, big and small, hurled at you from all sides. What we did & reacted was to ignore them but to run away quickly for cover. Following which, then came the loud booing:” Ay Chinna, Chinna Muluk Jao, Mutti Kao.”

    As I’d said earlier, I’d taken this without hate while it was “healed wound with dented scar.”

    To all other readers here:
    Please note that there is no political motive behind the information shared here. It is intended as a healthy discussion forum of Indian Chinese to recount their plight and experiences on the article posted up here by Leon on Indian Chinese facing marginalization.

    There is no backlash. Hence, nobody should feel offended.

    Please respect freedom of speech and expression, especially when everything written here is factual. HATE messages not welcome.

  32. ycl1688 says:

    wang,

    you are absolutely right, those paras you know have been calmed down i believe a lot, later years after Bruce Lee movies have been such influence on the locals, you walk down their streets as if you were the local sheriff in the old western movie, no one dares to pass comments, this is where your chinese complexion gaining upper hand.

    Thanks for offering such kind words to smooth down a turbulent climate here. And as always we are here to discuss constructive topics. And we are here to express ourselves of the topics we need to discuss, not to show off what education level you have, what income you are making. And nobody is above the others. As the saying goes anyone can be taken out of a ghetto, and you cannot take a ghetto out of a person.

  33. Varun says:

    To: ron (Hakka Chinese – a born Indian – parents Stateless Indian Chinese refugees – with Chinese look, Chinese Moi Yuan blood)

    You had your “last say” from all Indian Chinese who posted comments here.

    India is a multi-party democracy. We have freedom of speech and expression. Our democratic system breeds leaders with far sight & international vision. We open our doors & engage all countries to make a BETTER NEW India in this world. We are now a global player. We continue to progress in this direction.

    India Communist paties, unlike PRC, have many power levels; they all are good friends of PRC. So are BJP and India Congress Party.

    India & PRC are now engaged to make a stronger Asia. Our ties are enhanced through cultural, business etc. Large investments flow both ways with mutual imports & exports increased many folds. While being competitors, both are also strategic partners. Competition is a healthy phenomenon. Suspicion is given.

    Stop bad-mouthing PRC to deter its normalisation of ties with India. The emerging trends are more PRC companies investing in India & more Chinese presence in India with expertise. So are Indians business & expertise to PRC.

    You should consider moving your family & business out of Delhi and/ Kolkata soon, before you’ll be sent a ticket to spend the rest of your life in Deoli, Rajasthan. To get refuge, think about taking asylum in Dharamsala – a safe haven to clean souls.

    Selling chow chow is no good in India. Selling biryani is better option to think Indian.

  34. ycl1688 says:

    Well said, Arun.

    Narrow minded patriotism does not pay in this modern world, if ever a Rajasthan camp set up again it is for lunatic akin to Ranchi, not for normal person, this will be wiped out by world human rights group. Look at palestinians can no longer be confined nor Gitmo Bay in Cuba be set up, these things will not last.

    God forbid if ever Rajasthan camp set up will be wiped out from the surface of the earth.

    let that person you refer to live and let die.

  35. jayeeta ghorai says:

    where is Monica Liu’s restaurant mentioned in the original article…how can she be contacted?

  36. audi says:

    to: jayeeta ghorai

    Monica owned a number of restaurants in and outside tangra. try contacting her at Tung Fong restaurant in Karnani Mansion located at the junction of Park Street and Free School Street.

  37. Madan says:

    very nice..